The iBeat Thread

Discussion in '610/630' started by DYNOBOB, Aug 16, 2014.

  1. WickedWill Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    QLD,AU
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    some little red ones
    Looks like we might need to get the 20 metre usb out again;)
    I get around 5ltr per 100 ,i think yours goes harder.


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  2. Stujam Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Brisbane Austrlia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    09te610, 11te630
    ye thanks Will,

    its a balancing act trying to get it running sweet without loosing to much power and juicing mpg. Considering I am trying to stick with stock tank ( I do have a few 1 ltr primus fuel bottles I can carry ) - I ideally want to be able to achieve 250 from stock tank and bottles. As it stands if I ride it hard I may not. Might come see you and try pull it back a bit and see how it goes.
  3. SilverBullet Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Harmaston, TX
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2011 TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 300EXC, V-Strom650, Super Tenere
    20 meters, do you ride the bike up and down your driveway with the cable attached? Lol

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  4. SimpleOne Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE 630
    Other Motorcycles:
    09 ZX-6R Trackbike
    What AFR have you been targeting Dynobob for performance and fuel economy?
    Are you using a tailpipe sniffer or putting a wideband in the mid pipe O2 sensor location?

    I wish I knew more about fuel mapping as there seems to be very conflicting information on the internet in terms of target AFR's for performance, fuel economy and engine longevity. It seems that an AFR down to 12:1 is permissible for max performance though some seem to say going below 13 or so is just a waste of fuel. For economy some say you can go very near, or right up to, stoichiometric at the O2 sensor....I've even read people saying you can go above stoich and safely achieve lean cruise at lower throttle openings and rpm without running the cylinder to hot.....I'm just not willing to try that without some better feedback since I don't have any way to monitor cylinder temp; I'd rather burn a bit of excess fuel than run the cylinder lean and heat the liner, rings and valves excessively.
  5. WickedWill Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    QLD,AU
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    some little red ones
    Haha
    Some scumbag stole my laptop but luckily left the husky sitting beside it with the keys in
    Desktop upstairs,broken leg and a bit of ingenuity=20m usb:D


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  6. DYNOBOB Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Cincinnati (Lebanon), OH
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    SuperTenere-GL1800-CBR900RR-KLX250S

    My iBeat recommendations are based largely on what Dynojet has found for two different maps (stock and FMF/Leo?). Both show that we don't need to add much if any fuel down low, just a little in the mid, and a bunch up high. Their results up high (WFO - high rpm) mirror what I found on my dyno (that is, we need to add 16-20% fuel). I have the older Dynojet 150 inertial dyno, not the newer load type 250, so I can't map low/med throttle openings very easily. I'm relying on their results looking very similar on two different bikes/two different days for that.

    If you read back on my dyno thread, you'll see that I got wonky AFR numbers with my Innovate LM-1 (with the sensor in the O2 bung) on the dyno. It really didn't matter because I'm always going to put the fuel settings where I get the best power, that's where the motor is the happiest and what the AFR shows is irrelevant. There's a lot of things that can skew AFR numbers anyway and have you chasing your tail, the old "one clock, two clock" thing. Luckily, for our bike, Dynojet has put numbers out. Those guys have the newest dynos and sniffers, and do dozens of vehicles a month, so I have pretty high confidence in their results.

    IMO, I wouldn't sweat this too much or get bogged down w/ AFR numbers. I'm confident saying if you're near my numbers you should get decent economy and be safe at WFO. Beyond that find a good dyno shop that you trust (to have a sniffer that didn't just get used on a motor running leaded race gas, etc) and look for AFR and hp numbers. If you have Autotune or Bazazz then build a map and at least go confirm that your WFO numbers are making best power on a dyno. I don't mess with sniffers enough to offer advise on specific target numbers but you're on the right track, a little rich at WFO and leaner at cruise. I'm sure Dynojet is tuning along those lines. Hope this helps...

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  7. SimpleOne Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE 630
    Other Motorcycles:
    09 ZX-6R Trackbike
    Thanks, I realise it's a complex game, so whilst I was hoping for a definitive answer; I appreciate your candid response even more.

    I'll stick with my original plan (and your advice) - generate a performance fuel mapping on a professional dyno using maximum power output as the quantifier, then, use autotune to generate a relatively lean map in the cruise zones to improve fuel economy. Then I can swap between them as appropriate (and maybe update the lean mapping every so often via autotune again).
  8. Philthy Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Mackay, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yammy WR250f
    6L / 100 is about right for me too. Best efficiency I got was 5.5L riding like an old woman (no offence you old women!).
    I've just changed from standard exhaust / ecu etc to one gutted standard can with standard ecu. Only done 200km like this and fuel is down to 5.8L so maybe only slightle different, I'll try and dyno it the next few weeks and bump the ecu setting up to 102, 106, 116 and see what happens.
    Looks like Will's setup is a lot better than most.
  9. DYNOBOB Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Cincinnati (Lebanon), OH
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    SuperTenere-GL1800-CBR900RR-KLX250S
    A comment on fuel economy... I did a 200mi highway run to go camping last week. Running 70mph (and into a 20mph headwind half the time) I got the worst mileage I've ever seen - 38mpg per gps miles (36 against the odo). I haven't changed any settings since I avg'd 48-49 on a 2600mi off-road trip last Sept.

    - Shows how much different riding affects things -

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  10. SilverBullet Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Harmaston, TX
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2011 TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM 300EXC, V-Strom650, Super Tenere
    That explains my lower mpg then. If I'm riding on the highway burning pavement up to get to my ride start location I'm using doing 80 mph.

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  11. guiliguan Husqvarna
    C Class

    Location:
    Terrebonne,Quebec,Canada
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    te 250 2010
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 640 adventure 2001
    Hi guys, I tryed the link to download iBeat but it does'nt seams to work anymore. Can somebody give me another link or send me a copy of the program? It would be nice and appreciated. Thanks.
  12. DYNOBOB Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Cincinnati (Lebanon), OH
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    SuperTenere-GL1800-CBR900RR-KLX250S
  13. guiliguan Husqvarna
    C Class

    Location:
    Terrebonne,Quebec,Canada
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    te 250 2010
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 640 adventure 2001
    I give you a such big Hug,Thanks a lot:banana:
  14. WickedWill Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    QLD,AU
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    some little red ones
    To the guys running power command. When you plug into ibeat are you able to adjust the co2 settings with the power command connected?
  15. DYNOBOB Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Cincinnati (Lebanon), OH
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    SuperTenere-GL1800-CBR900RR-KLX250S
    Yes. You're just making broad adjustments in addition to the PCV fine tuning.

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  16. WickedWill Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    QLD,AU
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    some little red ones
    I must have a ibeat issue . Won't let me open Co 2 settings .
  17. DYNOBOB Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Cincinnati (Lebanon), OH
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    SuperTenere-GL1800-CBR900RR-KLX250S
    Did you turn the bike on before starting the software?

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  18. WickedWill Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    QLD,AU
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    some little red ones
    Yes
    Everything else works, just the co2 box is not highlighted and clicking it won't open it.
  19. DYNOBOB Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Cincinnati (Lebanon), OH
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    SuperTenere-GL1800-CBR900RR-KLX250S
    Try the kill switch in both positions.

    This is a 630 right?

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  20. WickedWill Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    QLD,AU
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    some little red ones
    Yes 630.I will try that and if that fails I will try the version on my desktop.Had a few issues with installing drivers on laptop but they are working now.