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Hi everyone,
As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.
When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.
Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.
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Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.
Thanks for your patience and support!
125-200cc Dwight was Right! Wr-125-144 Suspension
- Thread starter CelticDude
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Vinduro
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Static sag is OK on front but rider sag is Way off. Go to .38kg spring. You might try spraying your forks with Silicone spray to reduce stiction and remeasure. Be sure to bleed your air out when sitting on bike, before measuring.
Rear is close, real close. Go to 107-108mm rider sag and see how your static sag is. I bet you are good.
Rear is close, real close. Go to 107-108mm rider sag and see how your static sag is. I bet you are good.
While I agree with Dwight's general theory, this:
If a straight rate spring has 1mm of preload or 100mm of preload is irrelevant provided it there is still some sag present.
Let's say you've got two 100lb/in springs sitting on a bench (imperial units because they're easy). One has zero preload, the other has 400lbs on it (giving 4" of preload). To compress either spring another 1", will require 100lb of force. The preload does nothing to change the rate of the spring.
The other way of looking at it, is the luxury cars typically run very long, very soft springs with lots of preload to gain an acceptable ride height. They are not generally known for harsh suspension...
And while I'm digging up old posts, johnnyboy's comment about the rates of the top riders:
Spring rates are determined by the weight they bear (rider + bike) and rider preference. Rider speed and bike usage are almost irrelevant - if you had an adventure bike that weighed 100kg you'd run very similar rate springs as you'd put in a 100kg MX bike.
As you get faster, you need/want more compression damping.
Most bikes come with springs that are too soft and too much compression damping for most riders. This set-up works very well light, fast guys (think about the profile of the typical magazine test rider, particularly for competition dirt bikes
) while being acceptable for virtually everyone else. Most of us weigh more (requiring stiffer springs) and are slower (requiring less comp damping).
... is wrong. Unless you've preloaded the spring to the point of zero rider sag, preload has no affect on ride harshness - only ride height (and, if you want to be picky, it will lift the bike into the softer, initial linkage ratio).
If a straight rate spring has 1mm of preload or 100mm of preload is irrelevant provided it there is still some sag present.
Let's say you've got two 100lb/in springs sitting on a bench (imperial units because they're easy). One has zero preload, the other has 400lbs on it (giving 4" of preload). To compress either spring another 1", will require 100lb of force. The preload does nothing to change the rate of the spring.
The other way of looking at it, is the luxury cars typically run very long, very soft springs with lots of preload to gain an acceptable ride height. They are not generally known for harsh suspension...
And while I'm digging up old posts, johnnyboy's comment about the rates of the top riders:
Spring rates are determined by the weight they bear (rider + bike) and rider preference. Rider speed and bike usage are almost irrelevant - if you had an adventure bike that weighed 100kg you'd run very similar rate springs as you'd put in a 100kg MX bike.
As you get faster, you need/want more compression damping.
Most bikes come with springs that are too soft and too much compression damping for most riders. This set-up works very well light, fast guys (think about the profile of the typical magazine test rider, particularly for competition dirt bikes
) while being acceptable for virtually everyone else. Most of us weigh more (requiring stiffer springs) and are slower (requiring less comp damping).
Vinduro
Husqvarna
Pro Class
But,where your thinking is wrong is that a spring with 1mm preload and one with 100mm preload, it will take a harder load or impact to move the suspenion with 100mm preload vs that with 1mm. You are right that preload will not change spring rate only how quickly it will respond. Too much preload will make it harder to respond but yet when it does respond it will still bottom out. So I am correct in that less preload will respond faster to impacts with roots and rocks. It is easily tested to see if I am right.
I fully agree with your statement about rear suspension. But I find that many front forks are currently over sprung and will not give the rider enough static and rider sag to turn properly. The bike won't even turn without a berm on many MX bikes. AND or the rider has to crank in too much rear preload to try and transfer more weight to the front to get the front to bite and turn. This gives a harsh ride all the way around. But many MXers run their bikes this way so they can attack deep whoops faster but then rely on berms to turn. The bike then has a much taller static sag making it harder to throw a leg across.
I fully agree with your statement about rear suspension. But I find that many front forks are currently over sprung and will not give the rider enough static and rider sag to turn properly. The bike won't even turn without a berm on many MX bikes. AND or the rider has to crank in too much rear preload to try and transfer more weight to the front to get the front to bite and turn. This gives a harsh ride all the way around. But many MXers run their bikes this way so they can attack deep whoops faster but then rely on berms to turn. The bike then has a much taller static sag making it harder to throw a leg across.
lankydoug
Husqvarna
Pro Class
The light spring will begin to stack in the latter portion of the travel instead of being smooth and progressive. The too heavy spring with not enough preload will not gain resistance as soon as needed. That's the whole point of getting both sag numbers correct and that can only be done with the correct spring. (unless the rider prefers an unusual set up)
Toro618
Husqvarna
AA Class
a few noobie question.
On a 2012 WR125, does the rear spring have a rate stamped on it, or go by certain colors to determine what the rate is? I may need to go one higher but I have no clue what oem spring rate is.
Also for those who have tunning experience; I weigh 154 lbs without gear. With riding gear and tool/hydration, I have 100mm rider sag and only 19-20 static.
Would getting a stiffer rear spring to bump the static to 35mm make that much of a handling improvement in technical trails with rocks and roots?
I have not measured the front...figured it wont make sense to untill I have my rear set correctly with the right spring.
Thanks in advance for any input.
On a 2012 WR125, does the rear spring have a rate stamped on it, or go by certain colors to determine what the rate is? I may need to go one higher but I have no clue what oem spring rate is.
Also for those who have tunning experience; I weigh 154 lbs without gear. With riding gear and tool/hydration, I have 100mm rider sag and only 19-20 static.
Would getting a stiffer rear spring to bump the static to 35mm make that much of a handling improvement in technical trails with rocks and roots?
I have not measured the front...figured it wont make sense to untill I have my rear set correctly with the right spring.
Thanks in advance for any input.
lankydoug
Husqvarna
Pro Class
According to the parts listing on page 15 the front springs are 4.2 https://www.halls-cycles.com/Catalog/PDF/Husqvarna .PDFs/2012/WR-CR 125 29-07-2011.pdf The rear spring rate is not labeled. My WR250 had a 5.4 in it and I went to a longer than stock 5.6 and got the numbers just right for me (215 lbs no gear) I'm betting the 125s come sprung for a 140 lbs rider. I think mine had a sticker on in but it was a while back so it's hard to remember. Have you tried backing some of the preload out of the rear spring yet?
wallybean
Mini-Sponsor
I believe mine had a 5.4 stock and I would be surprised if they have changed that since 09.
CelticDude
Historically Fast!
Stock rear on the 2011/12 is 5.0kg. Way too soft for me at 185lb. I first tried a 5.4kg and finally went to a 6.0. Big improvement. Also a .40kg spring in front with 5 weight fork oil.
Toro618
Husqvarna
AA Class
I will back off on the preload some and see what free sag I get at 105 race sag. Hopefully I can get to 25mm with whatever spring the bike came with.
It sounds like getting an accurate oem spring rate from the dealer or Husky website is classified information lol....I guess the best way is pull it out and measure it myself.
Thanks guys I appreciate your help
Toro618
Husqvarna
AA Class
With a race sag around 110 I should be above 25mm free with whatever spring rate is on my bike now. Anyway, I will do some measurements sometime this week and report back. Hopefully I won't have to take a guess at what's on the bike now and just buy a 5.6kg spring.
Toro618
Husqvarna
AA Class
Bleed the forks while sitting on the bike? I always bleed them on the stand with no load on the forks.
Vinduro
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Do you ride the bike while it is on the stand ??? Forks heat up and air expands.
Toro618
Husqvarna
AA Class
Take a deep breath and relax Sparky. NO, I dont ride the bike while it's on the stand. However, I do bleed the forks while the bike is on the stand because I DO NOT want the forks partially compressed before tightening back the screw.
Vinduro
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Why not ? Air pressure will equalize in a very short time when heated. Unless you are having a bottoming problem that you trying to compensate for. If that is reason just raise oil level a bit. Your forks need no positive air pressure in them to work correctly. Once you are sitting on bike then you have positive air pressure bleeding them your way. Less air pressure equals a more responsive fork action.
Vinduro
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Back in the early 80's, I would bleed my Husqvarna XC250 forks (and XC125) while the bike was still tied down. I still bleed my Current Husky fork after I have tied it down to relieve pressure on seals. Seems to work as I haven't had a seal leak. I have speed bleeders on my forks and highly recommend them. Even doing this before an event , you will find you have built up pressure before half the race is done.
Toro618
Husqvarna
AA Class
Ok...I will try your method after my next ride although I will probably not feel any difference.
BTW, I decreased my preload a bit and was able to increase my free sag from 19 to 28 with a 108 race sag (I weigh 177 lbs with full gear, hydration pack, and tools). It's close enough for now untill I figure out what spring rate came with the 2012 wr125. Or I might just send the forks and shock to Factory Connections....they did a great job with my crf250r suspension.