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KTM/Husqvarna... now how will this play out?

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Motosportz said:
BMW owns the CTS patent and we will probably never see that again. Sad as I like it and thought it would be really cool on an off road 2 stroke.
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CTS was done long before BMW dreamed it up and going to the patent office with an idea that someone else has already had will get you laughed out of the building, so BMW / Markus Theobald's patent looks pretty specific in it's specification regarding the coaxial pivot and the transmission:

http://www.google.com/patents/EP1743832B1?cl=en

Even without the wriggle room that keeps patent lawyers in hookers and coke I think it's worth considering that this technology is now probably not that relevant to Munich and their future output, so I imagine they'd licence it to anyone who was willing to pay.

FWIW I think CTS might well have merit in certain applications and is certainly worth developing further. :)
 
Motosportz said:
BMW owns the CTS patent and we will probably never see that again. Sad as I like it and thought it would be really cool on an off road 2 stroke.
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Is there any chance the CTS system was part of the deal? Personally if I was getting out of a certain market segment, I'd sell all related products & technology, unless there was something secret no one knew about that I'd want to keep for a future Ace up my sleeve.
 
BMW owns the CTS patent and we will probably never see that again. Sad as I like it and thought it would be really cool on an off road 2 stroke.
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I also would like to see a second generation of the cts come about. It was the best part of the 449/511 package in my opinion. Not knocking the rest of the bike, but I thought the cts was the highlight of the bike. I would like to see where they could take it.
 
Colo moto said:
I also would like to see a second generation of the cts come about. It was the best part of the 449/511 package in my opinion. Not knocking the rest of the bike, but I thought the cts was the highlight of the bike. I would like to see where they could take it.
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the motor in the 449/511 is VERY good too. I actually love the whole bike.
 
CTS might have been part of the deal since as of right now, only a Husky bike uses it. But who knows... time will tell.

CTS was on it's second generation. Husky changed it a bit to make it easier to change the front sprocket. It was a royal PITA on the BMW G450X.
 
Even without the wriggle room that keeps patent lawyers in hookers and coke I think it's worth considering that this technology is now probably not that relevant to Munich and their future output, so I imagine they'd licence it to anyone who was willing to pay.


LOL :)
 
Motosportz said:
What Scott (Relic) said is pretty much the info I am clinging to / hoping for. First off he worked at high levels at KTM and then at husky BMW so knows more than most. Second I want what he said to come true so it must. I am thinking this will be a good thing. Time will tell.
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Exactly how I feel, Kelly. I really want it to be true and I'm just going to have to take it on faith that it will be true. Hard to do for a natural skeptic like myself.
 
So do we know for certain if production of new Huskys stopped when the deal was signed. I would think Husky is still producing/shipping bikes so the dealers have something to sell for the next 9-12 months. No product would seem a hardship for them bear. I know the press release says BMW will no longer supply parts but do we know what the definition of "BMW supplied" is?


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DYNOBOB said:
So do we know for certain if production of new Huskys stopped when the deal was signed. I would think Husky is still producing/shipping bikes so the dealers have something to sell for the next 9-12 months. No product would seem a hardship for them bear. I know the press release says BMW will no longer supply parts but do we know what the definition of "BMW supplied" is?


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Dunno but sure there will be a lean year before all is sorted and moving again. Crossing my fingers for the best.
 
Probably see a lot of "Huskie Massaged Ktm motors and WP forks/shocks in Husky frames and colors at the brand launch in November. (Larger tanks, Wide ratio tranny's in the WR's/TE's/TXC's, dual ignition switches, and a button option for all but the 125's.) Very similar to what Husky did to the BMW 450X. I could be wrong but the only motor that I think Husky "should" continue to make is the 125. It is a simpler, cheaper, equally performing and bullet proof design compared to the KTM 125/150. You can argue the rest of the engine line-up but it is the one motor/bike that even the rags like better. This isn't me bemoaning the loss of a big bore motor because they will be offering the WR/CR 200, with Husky tuning the WR for ultimate trailee performance characteristics that I want. JMO
 
DYNOBOB said:
So do we know for certain if production of new Huskys stopped when the deal was signed. I would think Husky is still producing/shipping bikes so the dealers have something to sell for the next 9-12 months. No product would seem a hardship for them bear. I know the press release says BMW will no longer supply parts but do we know what the definition of "BMW supplied" is?


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why would an astute business man want to lose earnings on his newly acquired factory
if you stop work what do you do for trained employees in the future
I see him letting it roll till he remodels the existing line of models
 
wallybean said:
Probably see a lot of "Huskie Massaged Ktm motors and WP forks/shocks in Husky frames and colors at the brand launch in November. (Larger tanks, Wide ratio tranny's in the WR's/TE's/TXC's, dual ignition switches, and a button option for all but the 125's.) Very similar to what Husky did to the BMW 450X. I could be wrong but the only motor that I think Husky "should" continue to make is the 125. It is a simpler, cheaper, equally performing and bullet proof design compared to the KTM 125/150. You can argue the rest of the engine line-up but it is the one motor/bike that even the rags like better. This isn't me bemoaning the loss of a big bore motor because they will be offering the WR/CR 200, with Husky tuning the WR for ultimate trailee performance characteristics that I want. JMO
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WR/CR 200 you say? Sign me up, I don't care what name is on the engine cases.

I think once the initial shock wears off most will see this as a pretty nice opportunity for Husqvarna. Things are going to be different but that isn't always for the worst. Having better distribution, an owner who wants to develop the brand, a solid engineering department that understands off-road as well as MX are great things in my book.
 
Motosportz said:
BMW owns the CTS patent and we will probably never see that again. Sad as I like it and thought it would be really cool on an off road 2 stroke.
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Like CTS? It's not new, put an A-Trak on your bike. I had one on my 84 CR250. Same end result.
 
wallybean said:
... because they will be offering the WR/CR 200, with Husky tuning the WR for ultimate trailee performance characteristics that I want. JMO
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...and I'll still prefer the 165. I have ridden several 200's since owning the 165 and still prefer the 165 over any of them. the 200 is almost in 250 opower catagory and that changes the personality of the bike. But thats for another thread.

I agree though, the 125 husky must live on. It is a timeless design that still wins shootouts today and crazy durable.
 
Chaz955i said:
WR/CR 200 you say? Sign me up, I don't care what name is on the engine cases.
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KTM 200
GG200
KDX200 :>)

Chaz955i said:
I think once the initial shock wears off most will see this as a pretty nice opportunity for Husqvarna. Things are going to be different but that isn't always for the worst. Having better distribution, an owner who wants to develop the brand, a solid engineering department that understands off-road as well as MX are great things in my book.
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:thumbsup:
 
JonXX said:
Like CTS? It's not new, put an A-Trak on your bike. I had one on my 84 CR250. Same end result.
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Similar maybe. The CTS does not changed the angle of the chain like an A-trak does and rob a bunch of power. It aims to do a similar thing but is far from the same IMHO.
 
I talked to Steve at Halls Cycle - They have two WR300 (One is taken >Me) and a Demo WR250 with 5 Hrs on it.

P.s. I was thinking about our little Series here in AR - only 3 Huskies in the whole series, every one, won there class championship!

B-open, +50 Super Senior, and Novice Vet 30+. All in a sea of orange. (some other colors mixed in, too)
 
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