oil being sprayed into airbox on 511

[Mr Ford40]

http://www.toxicmotoracing.com/shop/toxic-moto-specialty-parts/33-oil-recovery-system.html

Thats what you need .

Cheaper then Zip ty.

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9880sts I see they still use the zip-ty breather . Looks like its made of plastic, also looks cheap hence the price. I will say the ZIP -TY kit is worth every cent , machined great , a solid unit , fits perfectly , and looks great well I think anyway.

 

[Tinken]

Jeff's unit is made out of aluminum and painted black I believe. His tank is an oil baffle tank, where mine is an evaporation/condensation recovery system. Either of the two tanks should work well. He is also one of my dealers, so you can mix and match parts from both units.

 

[Mr Ford40]

Jeff's unit is made out of aluminum and painted black I believe. His tank is an oil baffle tank, where mine is an evaporation/condensation recovery system. Either of the two tanks should work well. He is also one of my dealers, so you can mix and match parts from both units.

But doesnt look as pretty as yours mmmm mine too.

 

[Huskynoobee]

Farkles need to be sexy, or they're just accessories. To be fair I looked at the toxic unit because I was one of the early ZTR breather customers. I was pretty close to going that direction because I wasn't going to install the breather without a return tank of some kind.

However Tinken was close to finishing his prototype testing on the first gen system. I was really tempted to cheap out, cause, well I'm cheap. However I'm glad I went the sexy race look way with the added bonus of having the extra functionality and ability to handle more oil volume the ZTR system provides.

Besides if you've ever seen what the Zip Ty tank looks like under the cover, it's really a work of engineering CNC art.

 

[michael franzen]

On mine was the water pump seal going bad causes oil in airbox also radiator cap to leak.

 

[michael franzen]

Water pump seal starts leaking water foams and boils off vents up the tube to the airbox ... a little oil in the radiator causes cap to leak venting radiator fluid.

 

[Tinken]

Water pump seal starts leaking water foams and boils off vents up the tube to the airbox ... a little oil in the radiator causes cap to leak venting radiator fluid.

1- that wouldn't cause oil blow by.
2- XF coolant should be used, it operates at near zero pressure, saves cooling components and keeps engines cooler.

 

[JRW]

Did a dealer tell you that the water pump seal caused that?

 

[Huskynoobee]

He's been posting that in more than one thread. Must believe it's true.

 

[Dangermouse449]

Water pump seal starts leaking water foams and boils off vents up the tube to the airbox ... a little oil in the radiator causes cap to leak venting radiator fluid.

This can happen in any engine, a car/bike/truck with a blown head gasket for example.
It isn't common but does happen.
Usually though, you notice the oil is milky when you check it way before it becomes thick enough to be a problem.

This thread is more about a design fault built into the motors, the breather is on the gearbox where the oil is stored & blow-by carries it up the breather hose to the air-filter at high RPM.

 

[michael franzen]

On mine was the water pump leaked slow for 15k miles before it really went and oil turned milky but either way rings piston etc the water pump needs to be changed the pump bearings went too timing chain seal shaft whole top end, with everything fixed dry as a bone in the airbox now.

 

[michael franzen]

On mine the shop didnt change the pump at first but did the whole top end rings piston valves etc ... oil in airbox like before the work then it really went in another 100mi ... guarantee oil in the airbox is a bad water pump.

 

[Dangermouse449]

I've had oil in my air filter at different times.
Long runs at high revs & falls that land on the RH side on hills seem to make it worse.
They definitely need a different breather. The Zip ty breather is a known quantity & a no-brainer.
I put my own DIY breather on yesterday & rode today.
Just wanted to see if it would work from that area in the camchain void, & had a blank plug ready to go if it made it worse.
Worked great for me

 

[Mr Ford40]

I've had oil in my air filter at different times.
Long runs at high revs & falls that land on the RH side on hills seem to make it worse.
They definitely need a different breather. The Zip ty breather is a known quantity & a no-brainer.
I put my own DIY breather on yesterday & rode today.
Just wanted to see if it would work from that area in the camchain void, & had a blank plug ready to go if it made it worse.
Worked great for me

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DM Great idea thinking outside the square. I like.

 

[Dangermouse449]

Thanks Ford.
Not taking anything away from the Zipty breather.
It is a cleverly engineered solution.
I just like the satisfaction of doing things myself & the idea came to me sitting there fiddling with my bike one day.
Haven't lost a drop of oil since installing it

 

[Mike Dan]

Thanks Ford.
Not taking anything away from the Zipty breather.
It is a cleverly engineered solution.
I just like the satisfaction of doing things myself & the idea came to me sitting there fiddling with my bike one day.
Haven't lost a drop of oil since installing it

Are you able to use more than a quart of oil with this setup? I really like cheap and simple solutions and would like to run more oil to get more miles out of my motor.

 

[Stacey Hanson]

has anyone else come across this issue, had my bike serviced three times now by three different husky dealers all claiming that the last dealer prob put too much or too little oil or whatever, just no matter what I seem to do or what level the oil is at I seem to get oil dripping out the airbox,

pisses me off cause it makes my bike and engine look dirty as hell!!

anyone know the issue and fix for this as ive stripped it to clean it and would love it if she stayed clean for more than five minutes!!

I have a '13 TE449 with the same problem. So if you find an answer please let me know. Mine has the oil drip down on the engine and muffler and smoke and stink something horrible.

 

[Stacey Hanson]

Thanks Ford.
Not taking anything away from the Zipty breather.
It is a cleverly engineered solution.
I just like the satisfaction of doing things myself & the idea came to me sitting there fiddling with my bike one day.
Haven't lost a drop of oil since installing it

Couldn't you just run a drain pipe off of the breather outlet that would run down to somewhere under your bike thus eliminating the oil all over the engine and exhaust? Of course you'd have to keep an eye on the engine oil level all the time. But it would be a quick and inexpensive fix.

 

[Big Timmy]

I have the same engine , or a TC 449 in my G450X BMW and the standard BMW engine as well. I run the Zipty valve cover breather assembly on the rocker box. I have a recovery breather tank that is of my own design as the ZipTy won't fit the BMWs chassis. My breather tank would be considered baffled, it has a zigzagged strip of S/S perforated metal occupying the open space inside the breather tank. That piece of perforated mesh, gives it more surface area inside and it will grab hold of and condense the oil vapor from the breathers gasses and the trickle down affect returns them directly to my oil filler cap.

I have a quick connect air brake fitting and hose on the drain back on my tank and have pulled the hose off a few times while riding to see if anything was in the tank and by the time I had thought about it while taking a rest or a stop on the trail and thought to pull it off to check, nothing drained out of the hose. So it works well. I never have to worry about the oil level changing. That's the best part of doing this mod. Not worrying !!

The perforated mesh in my breather tank grabs the oil in the vapor and it forms droplets that collect into the bottom of the recovery / oil tank / whether baffled or not. The ZipTy tanks cleverly designed Interiors built in divider wall separates oil from the vapor and has a good large volume. To get it back into the engine. Where it belongs. The breather tank is still vented to the airbox. Or could be vented with a filter on the end up of the intended air box fitting high on the chassis.. There's no reason to not have it go back into the airbox though in my opinion. As it helps having the airbox's negative pressure connected to the tank.

I run 1250 ccs of oil now I have ran as much as 1300ccs. Stock is about 1050 to 1100 ccs. Any more than that with the stock breather and it will push oil to the airbox even worse. Depending on how much you can get drained out during an oil change but increasing the oil level a significant amount or the thought that this breather system allows more oil capacity is not really valid. As anything that would puke out previously into the airbox is recovered back into the engine. That's what it is for, the tank doesn't really hold oil like a reservoir. It just recovers it.

I personally believe this to be one of the best mods one can do, is to get rid of the stock breather tube off the cases and raising it to the valve cover area. It allows a higher level to be maintained.

If you have milkshake in the oil after a good ride you have a problem. That should show up as a loss of coolant.

 

[Huskynoobee]

Yes, no matter what you decide on the tank, whether you use the turn key ZipTy kit or fab a tank of your own design, the relocated breather is really the best money you'll ever spend on this bike. Go ahead and get the return plug too.

I've been running 1300cc with this mod for at least 2 1/2 years doing everything from high speed dual sport to racing desert. I went for the whole shabang because the ZipTy tank is quite sexy.