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Hi everyone,
As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.
When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.
Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.
Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.
Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.
Thanks for your patience and support!
Poll - Torque limiter failures on 449/511
- Thread starter Motosportz
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Big Timmy
Husqvarna
Pro Class
So you are saying that the factory test procedures and etched number marking system in Newton Meters on every Torque Limiter is meaningless?
Or is that The Kymco factory or BMW, Huskqvarna has released a bunch of mismarked Torque Limiters out on the open parts market that are nearly twice the breakaway rating of the designed rating limits of that part. Come On?
When I see one Factory marked that high I will believe it and concede and appologize for doubting this.
So if we all buy them we should then disregard the factory rating marks that come on each 1 as BS and buy them from you because ?
How much are your KYMCO factory made special ones?
Have you had your Torque Wrench professionally calibrated and tagged lately? Or would those calibration stickers on the torque wrench be meaningless also?
I have my Snap-on dial face with follow up needles, Torque wrenches calibrated every 6 months. Its an old habit from back in my FAA Airframe/Powerplant Wrenching days. It was required then and I still get it done every six months through work for Free.
Or is that The Kymco factory or BMW, Huskqvarna has released a bunch of mismarked Torque Limiters out on the open parts market that are nearly twice the breakaway rating of the designed rating limits of that part. Come On?
When I see one Factory marked that high I will believe it and concede and appologize for doubting this.
So if we all buy them we should then disregard the factory rating marks that come on each 1 as BS and buy them from you because ?
How much are your KYMCO factory made special ones?
Have you had your Torque Wrench professionally calibrated and tagged lately? Or would those calibration stickers on the torque wrench be meaningless also?
I have my Snap-on dial face with follow up needles, Torque wrenches calibrated every 6 months. Its an old habit from back in my FAA Airframe/Powerplant Wrenching days. It was required then and I still get it done every six months through work for Free.
Not sure why your getting upset. Tinken was nice enough to test mine before sending. I am going to send him my old one to test for comparison. Maybe like published bike weight they test them somewhat different. Maybe the factory ratings is based on some other criteria? Maybe it is heated and bathed in oil when Tinkes measurements are not. I dont know why you keep assuming Tinken is misleading us. I spoke to him over a year ago way before I have even heard of a TL and he told me they had issues with them and he was working on a solution (the oil flow) and sent me a picture of a huge box of them with values written in sharpie on them from testing. I have never seen him mention special Kymco TL they have nor do I think they even advertise and sell them. (sure cant find them on their site).
Big Timmy
Husqvarna
Pro Class
OK. OK. No hard feelings! Never was.
Since I have actually replaced a few of these Torque Limiters. I didn't get that my own experience was so off track and confusing, It's given with some merit I would think. As pictures and factory markings and ratings were referenced and also actually photographed off my own, on hand parts. Its a shame for me I suppose, being so hard on my own equipment that I had such failures as nobody else has rang in here with anything to actually contribute other than a NO answer to this Poll. I do feel like the "Odd Man Out" sort of. Especially now.
Now that my own skepticism has offended some or actually got some conversation going. I see that any doubt of the standard accepted practice of believing everything you here is the "Norm" here on the 449/511 Site and is clearly not welcome. I thought I had made a valid request of simple verification, many times. Just as you would get with whatever you are paying for that has an actual performance rating. Like a dyno sheet for instance, this is why they mark these things (torque limiters) after testing them.
I'll still be shipping my spare engine to Tinken to have his team go through it and do all the Mods. I just have a skeptical nature. Is that so bad?
As for the special part reference, It was a figure of speech only. I just figured he must have a special lot of these original torque limiters on hand. I've seen the picture of the half full boxes myself about 20 times, wasn't there even a mention of a torque limiter party or something.
I assumed if he had them with such high breakaway number ratings and was shipping them out as he did to you, they had to be from Kymco, BMW or Husky. I would buy one myself.. If the price is comparatively reasonable but I guess you couldn't compare it to anything else. Since Tinken is still in the developement stage of a proprietary design of a trick replacement component of his own manufacture. I welcome its introduction to all of us. Probably more than you could imagine and I have respect for him doing that. After all I could use one myself of all the members here on this thread, thats obvious.
I realize and appreciate the fact there could be many variables during the testing process and am open to the specifics. Like Ft. lbs. and Newton Meters being one of those variables. Or soaking it in Oil for instance. Or turning it the wrong direction during the test itself. All could be relevant questions or variables. Whats wrong with asking for these specifics.
I'm not stupid but any of us being treated in a condescending manner and in a patronizing way doesn't help any of us on a shared information forum.
I'll try not to mistakingly enter into this threads conversation discussion again. I'll just be reading from the outside as other opinions of actual parts in hand and experience on having an actual couple of Torque limiter failures being contributed to this discussion is looked down on and in BMW "German" terms "VERBOTEN".
I am German, BTW part of the definition on my I-phone of that word on one of the Online Community dictionaries says "all definitions are approved by humans before publishing. Any promotional content will be deleted". Since I'm clearly not promoting anything here but my own opinion, I get it. I thought that an opinion was allowed in this discussion. Skeptical or not! Lets bring it all out in the open so we all learn from this without a bunch of secrets. I like things that way. I must have picked up on that notion during my education years. It would then be an "Open discussion" thats what information forums are all about.
The threads title did infact ask for a Poll of Torque Limiter failures to answer with a "YES or NO" and if "YES" to please list riding conditions and mileage, thats it. I did.
I think You and I "Kelly" were the only 2 who had checked "YES". Aren't we lucky? Thanks for allowing my opinion to be expressed here.
I never was upset. That's just Me. Bye Bye for now.
Since I have actually replaced a few of these Torque Limiters. I didn't get that my own experience was so off track and confusing, It's given with some merit I would think. As pictures and factory markings and ratings were referenced and also actually photographed off my own, on hand parts. Its a shame for me I suppose, being so hard on my own equipment that I had such failures as nobody else has rang in here with anything to actually contribute other than a NO answer to this Poll. I do feel like the "Odd Man Out" sort of. Especially now.
Now that my own skepticism has offended some or actually got some conversation going. I see that any doubt of the standard accepted practice of believing everything you here is the "Norm" here on the 449/511 Site and is clearly not welcome. I thought I had made a valid request of simple verification, many times. Just as you would get with whatever you are paying for that has an actual performance rating. Like a dyno sheet for instance, this is why they mark these things (torque limiters) after testing them.
I'll still be shipping my spare engine to Tinken to have his team go through it and do all the Mods. I just have a skeptical nature. Is that so bad?
As for the special part reference, It was a figure of speech only. I just figured he must have a special lot of these original torque limiters on hand. I've seen the picture of the half full boxes myself about 20 times, wasn't there even a mention of a torque limiter party or something.
I assumed if he had them with such high breakaway number ratings and was shipping them out as he did to you, they had to be from Kymco, BMW or Husky. I would buy one myself.. If the price is comparatively reasonable but I guess you couldn't compare it to anything else. Since Tinken is still in the developement stage of a proprietary design of a trick replacement component of his own manufacture. I welcome its introduction to all of us. Probably more than you could imagine and I have respect for him doing that. After all I could use one myself of all the members here on this thread, thats obvious.
I realize and appreciate the fact there could be many variables during the testing process and am open to the specifics. Like Ft. lbs. and Newton Meters being one of those variables. Or soaking it in Oil for instance. Or turning it the wrong direction during the test itself. All could be relevant questions or variables. Whats wrong with asking for these specifics.
I'm not stupid but any of us being treated in a condescending manner and in a patronizing way doesn't help any of us on a shared information forum.
I'll try not to mistakingly enter into this threads conversation discussion again. I'll just be reading from the outside as other opinions of actual parts in hand and experience on having an actual couple of Torque limiter failures being contributed to this discussion is looked down on and in BMW "German" terms "VERBOTEN".
I am German, BTW part of the definition on my I-phone of that word on one of the Online Community dictionaries says "all definitions are approved by humans before publishing. Any promotional content will be deleted". Since I'm clearly not promoting anything here but my own opinion, I get it. I thought that an opinion was allowed in this discussion. Skeptical or not! Lets bring it all out in the open so we all learn from this without a bunch of secrets. I like things that way. I must have picked up on that notion during my education years. It would then be an "Open discussion" thats what information forums are all about.
The threads title did infact ask for a Poll of Torque Limiter failures to answer with a "YES or NO" and if "YES" to please list riding conditions and mileage, thats it. I did.
I think You and I "Kelly" were the only 2 who had checked "YES". Aren't we lucky? Thanks for allowing my opinion to be expressed here.
I never was upset. That's just Me. Bye Bye for now.
Dont get upset, don't take your toys and leave, don't stop posting. Thats silly. Great info form all sides. Stop reading into things and taking offence. they way I look at it we can all post or not post whatever and do. We have different styles of posting and different reasons for posting some stuff and not others. Just take the information at face value and use it as it applies to you. If Tinken for his won reasons wants to keep something to himself thats fine. I have zero issues with that. We are all free to post what we think is good info or not post what we don't feel like posting. It is what it is and right now it is an excellent information source with many contributors. So what if Tinken does not tell us what the bolt looks like, we posted 5 solutions anyway. Its all good. BTW I am German as well and engineering is my interest.
Off to hang out with my fam on a day of celebration and remembering those that got us here. Take care friends.
Off to hang out with my fam on a day of celebration and remembering those that got us here. Take care friends.
Big Timmy
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Part of a post from another website look at the date below. Its from a discussion on the BMW G450X. Good information. Nothing new just an "Old Problem" us G450X Owners have dealt with for years. Guy was from NSW in Australia. This was one of the positive experiences for this owner. Not my words just added for information and reference. This was posted originally on Jan. 20th 2010. So we G450 riders were dealing with this for some time.
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I've heard of countless stories that were the opposite of this but don't want to post any negative information on here any further.
My own posted specifications given earlier in my posts on this thread were from a late 2010 3rd edition BMW CD service disc. The bike was only produced by BMW in model years 2009 and 2010. Yet were sold a bit before late 2008 and after as stock dwindled into 2011.
Husqvarna obviously inherited the problem and like "Tinken" said were told by BMW to fix it. I'm surprised the Husqvarna owners haven't had the same experience some of us BMW "Outsiders" have had. Especially those who started off buying the Husky's back in model years 2011 and on.
Hope an outside opinion other than my own can shed a little more light on this. 5 1/2 years later and it still seems to be a mystery to some?
I still love the bike though and its a damn good engine.
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20-01-2010
On a different note....
I may have mentioned my bike started making a whyning noise whenever the enging was reved/ridden up to 3-4K RPM.
It started suddenly ofter a long (400Km) ride whick included a fair amount of hard pack, rock, sand and tar road sections.
The noise was the same as the bike has always done under deceleration but was now louder and constant and seemed to come from the clutch area.
I pulled out the clutch - it was fine but the gear it drives, known as the torque limiter or idler gear was off centre! WTF
Dropped the engine out, the only way to get the side case off and removed the gear, spun it on it's bearing and yep, it was RS, quite obviously (but the bearings were OK).
Took the offending part to my dealer and the mechanic agreed instantly that the design should never allow this to happen and he would support a warranty claim for it even though the 70 Hr service was not done
(the bike is now over 140Hrs).
3 weeks later the new torque limiter arrived from Germany and the problem is now fixed
The torque limiter is a short shaft with with 2 gears on it and a bearing at eacg end. In between the 2 gears are metal shims which can slip and dissipate excess touque in the drive train thus protecting the engine/gearbox if the rear wheel suddenly jars, bites or locks (this is used in the absence of a cushioned rear hub)
Mine had obviously done it's job but somehow the large gear went of centre.
Interesting to note: the spare parts guy at my dealership said the computer system shows the torque limiter part number in a different colour which means one or two things: A) the part is now made by a different company or B) the part has been revised/modified.
He could not tell which but the new part looked different in that the part number etched on it was in a different font. Otherwise it looked identical.
I have also read that a couple of bikes in WA have done the same or similar but the reported fix was to replace the torque limiter bearings.
To do that the torque limiter must be dissassembled so I question the acuracy of that report and suspect the problem my bike had was not unusual.
The torque limiter is worth $333.00 at the time mine was replaced. Side case gasket kit $95.00. [End Quote]
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I hope this doesn't offend anybody after I said I wouldn't engage in this thread anymore but the above added post does show that there are others in the world that have had to deal with Torque Limiter issues of various types long before Husky riders had to deal with it. BMW had a revised part number for Torque Limiters already available before the end of 2009. Notice the owners bike hours after repair at 140 hours. He was happy and got taken care of by his BMW dealer.I've heard of countless stories that were the opposite of this but don't want to post any negative information on here any further.
My own posted specifications given earlier in my posts on this thread were from a late 2010 3rd edition BMW CD service disc. The bike was only produced by BMW in model years 2009 and 2010. Yet were sold a bit before late 2008 and after as stock dwindled into 2011.
Husqvarna obviously inherited the problem and like "Tinken" said were told by BMW to fix it. I'm surprised the Husqvarna owners haven't had the same experience some of us BMW "Outsiders" have had. Especially those who started off buying the Husky's back in model years 2011 and on.
Hope an outside opinion other than my own can shed a little more light on this. 5 1/2 years later and it still seems to be a mystery to some?
I still love the bike though and its a damn good engine.
I'm starting to wonder if using Maxilube caused my TL to slip. Seems it happened right about when i started using it and it is designed for lubricating metal to metal situations.
"The torque limiter is a short shaft with with 2 gears on it and a bearing at eacg end. In between the 2 gears are metal shims which can slip and dissipate excess touque in the drive train thus protecting the engine/gearbox if the rear wheel suddenly jars, bites or locks (this is used in the absence of a cushioned rear hub)"
"The torque limiter is a short shaft with with 2 gears on it and a bearing at eacg end. In between the 2 gears are metal shims which can slip and dissipate excess touque in the drive train thus protecting the engine/gearbox if the rear wheel suddenly jars, bites or locks (this is used in the absence of a cushioned rear hub)"
Anyone heard from Tinken? Seems he disappeared. Anyway I am still wondering if Maxilube made mine slip.
But regardless I'm replacing it. All ready to tackle this. It is a very quality looking part.
But regardless I'm replacing it. All ready to tackle this. It is a very quality looking part.
Dangermouse449
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Love new parts hope I never need to buy one though.
Similar Nm to BTs items (227.3 Nm - 167.6 ft/lbs)
Similar Nm to BTs items (227.3 Nm - 167.6 ft/lbs)
Dangermouse449
Husqvarna
Pro Class
It is possible I guess, Moto.
It would depend on their combination of additives in their oil.
If the TL is indead like a LS diff in operation, certain additives may be bad for the grip of the plates.
The wrong oil in an LSD will reduce or stop an LSD from working. In those cases, sometimes a change to the correct oil can bring them back.
Not sure if the same would be true for the TL, but you raise a good point! Would be worth checking with their help-line.
Engine oil wouldn't normally have any concideration for limited slip type operation.....
Tinken
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Been on a 5 day vacation, no phone service. I don't believe Maxilube slipped your TL, I have been using it in my 511 for 2 full years.
Thanks all. Well no more conversation about the bolt as the motor has to come out as there is a bolt your not getting out right under the swingarm. Looks accessible in this picture but it is not.
so pulling the motor now. So far real EZ, will let you know if there are any tricks to it.
My intake is really clean which i am happy about.
Also the magnetic oil filter cover is doing its job, will report in that thread.
back at it.
so pulling the motor now. So far real EZ, will let you know if there are any tricks to it.
My intake is really clean which i am happy about.
Also the magnetic oil filter cover is doing its job, will report in that thread.
back at it.
Dangermouse449
Husqvarna
Pro Class
OMG**************************************** Where is your second butterfly???? 
OMG Where is your second butterfly????
in my toolbox where it belongs.
1.5 hours. not bad. Hope it goes back in as EZ. Was actually much EZer than I thought and knowing this I don't think i would bother farting around with some goofy bolt setup, just pull the motor. Will also give me a chance to clean the motor and frame real good and route some wires better. Lots of stuff to remember to hook back up. Sub tank and throttle body were the worst parts and not to bad. Time to install the limiter.
follow this project here...
http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/449-511-torque-limiter-failures.32792/page-6#post-427005
http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/449-511-torque-limiter-failures.32792/page-6#post-427005
Xcuvator
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Sure seems like a lot of grief to go through every year or so.
I asked this question the other day and I'm still wondering if a cushioned rear hub would solve the problem?
Even if you had to change the cushions at every tire change?
Is there just so much strain on the transmission etc because of the crank direct mounted clutch that entire engine revolutions need to be slipped away?
I asked this question the other day and I'm still wondering if a cushioned rear hub would solve the problem?
Even if you had to change the cushions at every tire change?
Is there just so much strain on the transmission etc because of the crank direct mounted clutch that entire engine revolutions need to be slipped away?
Sure seems like a lot of grief to go through every year or so.
3.5 years, almost 6000 miles. This was one of the first ones in the NW. With Tinkens oil vent relocation, SS filer and the right oil I don't think i will need to change it again. Based on the poll for this part very few have had issues. Big Timmy, myself and some racers at ZipTy are pretty much the only ones I know of so far. Not a huge deal. Days work and way we go. Bike has been great for 6000 miles so I'm happy. Hope I'm good for 6000 plus more. If i have to do it again after 6000 which I don't think I will I'm not going to be upset about it. I have hammered this bike and it makes way more power than stock so all is good.
Dangermouse449
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Time to get the die-grinder out there ! 