PVL IGNITION ADVICE 500 LC

[stormer254]

Kickstart speed should allow strobe check

I don't have enough appendages to carry that out and watch the strobe!!

 

[Nikel]

Yes, I remember a thread here about decompression valves... Thanks for the reminder. Set the timing wherever and no worries.

LIES.
I have a Decompression valve and it will kickback if you do something wrong.

 

[Nikel]

Kickstart speed should allow strobe check

I had a friend who kicked for me so I could strobe it.

But when i think about it, drill idea sounds a bit better.

 

[dukkman]

LIES.
I have a Decompression valve and it will kickback if you do something wrong.

Depends on the size of the hole in the deco.
Too small hole won't release the gas quick enough.
Mine tries to kick back EVERY 2nd or 3rd kick.

 

[Nikel]

Depends on the size of the hole in the deco.
Too small hole won't release the gas quick enough.
Mine tries to kick back EVERY 2nd or 3rd kick.

I have three 3 mm holes in my decomp and it can still do kickbacks.

BUT.
It never happened with the stock ignition.

 

[GaryM]

Be careful Kickbacks seem to be one of the major causes of case cracking or damage on the mag cases. Have had none with electrex unit installed

 

[justintendo]

a slightly rich condition also causes kickbacks ive found

 

[dukkman]

I have three 3 mm holes in my decomp and it can still do kickbacks.
BUT.
It never happened with the stock ignition.

Hang on.
A light just went on.
Put a strobe on that ignition Nikel and check if it advances.
The original ignition has NO advance built in and was just set to a point.
When you strobe them they stay fixed and don't advance at all.
If it does advance then you could set the ignition so that the max advance is where it should be[ can't remember the setting ].
This would make the timing at kick speed really retarded.
Or you could just buy a CDI with no advance built in.
Mike

 

[Murph]

So lets summarize the ChinkYdinkydonk CDI and Coil system.
I bought a slightly different one with a "Racing CDI", whatever that means.

I used the wiring diagram that PEZberg showed us.

The biggest different is that this system gives Spark with the big S.
The old SEM system was always a pain in the ass to start.
Most of the time it didn't ignite at all.

This system ignite at every try, no matter how hard or loose you kick it.
That's the upside.

The downside.
It will backfire like a mule with it's balls in a wise.
I had my ignition set to 2.64mm btdc before but now i have retarded it to 1.5 ish now.

And I can bumpstart it.

Now I have to regain my confident and kick the shit out of it so it doesn't backfire.

Hi, thanks for your informative posts. Would you be able to show how you connected it all together? You mention you followed the wiring diagram from the earlier post, but the wires on this CDI are different colours. Would appreciate any help, thanks

 

[Nikel]

I have sent you a PM.

Will post pictures in a couple of days.

 

[Nikel]

Hello.
Sorry for the delay.

So, om my bike that have SEM ingnition the cables are.

RED from engine to RED on new CDI


GREEN from engine to BLUE on CDI


BLACK on engine to GREEN on CDI



NOTE, BE AWARE.
NEW COIL to YELLOW on CDI




Continue in the next post.

 

[Nikel]

BROWN on engine to BLACK on CDI




This Cable is the Yellow from CDI =)

 

[Murph]

Great, that is really helpful, thank you

 

[Murph]

For anyone else interested in the Chinese CDI, I connected it all up and set the timing on my engine at 2mm BTDC, and she fired up first kick. I am using a HPI internal rotor and stator which would not produce a spark with the HPI CDI unit supplied the kit I bought a while back.

Assuming it does not fail prematurely, this looks like it will be the best purchase I have ever made for my bike. These are on ebay at the moment for about 15 dollars including delivery!

 

[dukkman]

I used to carry a spare , because I didn't trust Chinese stuff, but don't anymore because the first ones [ on both my 240 and 400 ] are still running years later.

 

[Four Digit]

Be careful Kickbacks seem to be one of the major causes of case cracking or damage on the mag cases. Have had none with electrex unit installed

What did you set your timing to using the electrex..?

 

[Skoalman]

This is a great thread. I don't mind buying a new ignition, BUT if I can spend 30 bucks to make my Husky start easier, I'm all for it. Strangely enough, one of the primary reasons I don't ride my HVA 430s as much as my Maicos, and now vintage KTM, it because they're so much harder to start.

I've owned old euro bikes so long that I now kick better left footed than I do right footed -- so technique & strength are not the issue. Both of my HVAs have old and probably tired ignitions in them. This cheap set up sounds like the cure. I'm going to give it a go as well.

BTW, has anyone else had success or failure with these units?

 

[dukkman]

This is a great thread. I don't mind buying a new ignition, BUT if I can spend 30 bucks to make my Husky start easier, I'm all for it. Strangely enough, one of the primary reasons I don't ride my HVA 430s as much as my Maicos, and now vintage KTM, it because they're so much harder to start.

I've owned old euro bikes so long that I now kick better left footed than I do right footed -- so technique & strength are not the issue. Both of my HVAs have old and probably tired ignitions in them. This cheap set up sounds like the cure. I'm going to give it a go as well.

BTW, has anyone else had success or failure with these units?

PEZberg has done this and me too.

 

[ajcmbrown]

I installed a Chinese ignition on my 400WR 88 and removed it because I had a bogging in the midrange after giving it the berries, still did the same with the SEM, cleaned the carb and all good! Needless to say the Ching chong ignition will go on the 250 once finished.

 

[suprize]

ching chong...showing your age ol mate