• Hi everyone,

    As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.

    When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.

    Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.

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    Thanks for your patience and support!

SWM 650 -> The 630 returns!

"Which is why the motor design was scrapped by BMW because there was no way to make it meet the new tighter emissions requirements. It is the last of a long line of racing 4T motors from the Italian design, originating out of the original Swedish design. It's a good one, it puts out a lot of power, but evidently it cannot be made to the new specs as designed. All modern racing 4-strokes have emulated this design, they were the pioneers. And why KTM aquired Husaberg which was a spin-off from Husqvarna. The boys from Sweden didn't want to work for the Italians at Cagiva. KTM also got the suspension tech with that aquisition as well. Also why the re-joining of Husqvarna and Husaberg under KTM is so remarkable. It's gone full circle."

630 engine has nothing to do with Swedish Huskys, though the frame design went back to the first single shock Swedish Huskys in 1985. The 610 Dual Sport was never a race engine.... It was the mating of the Swedish single cam top end to the old Cagiva Dual Sport engine bottom end for a truly street worthy, reliable engine. The 630 was an all Italian update, but the twin cam top end broke the connection back to the old Swedish design.

Did KTM get PDS tech with the purchase of Husaberg? KTM bought WP around the same time, which was a Dutch Company.

It has truly come full circle...
 
DYNOBOB said:
No one will know if they fuel the same as a Husky 630 until someone gets their hands on one and does some testing. I'd assume that the ecu is a straight carry over and the characteristics are the same. Plenty rich at low rpm - borderline dangerously lean at high rpm/high load.

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Actually the ECU and fuel mapping are one of the few parts that have changed from the 630 :)
 
Erik Italhusky said:
Not me :) I sold my 630 and replaced it for a SWM SM 650! New bike and new warranty :)
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I will only cost you 1 lock washer and a little time...Please pull your clutch basket out and inspect the springs and cup washers. Any improvement made on them? You need to pull the clutch cover to inspect the filter screen anyway, so just pull your clutch basket while your in there.

Specs say it is fueled by Mikuni, does the Husky/Mikuni iBeat still work on it?

So many questions...
 
XLEnduroMan said:
So many questions...
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Yes. We should chip together to get you, Dynobob, CJ and JonXX together to give one of these bikes a serious teardown and review :) Is the kick stand improved? What about the cam chain? Does the different counter shaft fix the spline wear issue? Is the iBeat connector the same? Does iBeat work? What about the rear subframe? What's inside the airbox? Did they fix the spinning nuts? Suspension differences? Clutch basket? Does the RS have the wider TE gearbox? ... The more I read the more it sounds like SWM made a load of improvements and refinements, it would be great to know more.
 
Few around here in oz and a bit of info so far .
Gearbox is the same .
Subframe looked the same to me .
Suspension still marzocchi but less stroke.
Different FI system so i beat wont work .
Different seat-better then stock.
Clutch?
Airbox ?
 
Stujam, You say different FI system. Can you elaborate? Specs say it's still Mikuni. Is the plug in still behind the headlight shell? Is it a physically different plug? My "guess" is that if it's still the same Mikuni system with just a different plug then the Husky's, then some smart person will fab up an adapter(s) to make iBeat plug in to the SWM's.

I also wonder about the 300 and 500 dohc SWM's. They also still spec Mikuni FI.

If you see one of these SWM's in the wild, ask the owner if you can pop off his cover and look at his dongle for comparison. :D
 
Stujam said:
Few around here in oz and a bit of info so far .
Gearbox is the same .
Subframe looked the same to me .
Suspension still marzocchi but less stroke.
Different FI system so i beat wont work .
Different seat-better then stock.
Clutch?
Airbox ?
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I thought the gearbox had changes, including the output shaft as I read somewhere that the front sprocket from a TE630 would t fit.
 
XLEnduroMan said:
Stujam, You say different FI system. Can you elaborate? Specs say it's still Mikuni. Is the plug in still behind the headlight shell? Is it a physically different plug? My "guess" is that if it's still the same Mikuni system with just a different plug then the Husky's, then some smart person will fab up an adapter(s) to make iBeat plug in to the SWM's.

I also wonder about the 300 and 500 dohc SWM's. They also still spec Mikuni FI.

If you see one of these SWM's in the wild, ask the owner if you can pop off his cover and look at his dongle for comparison. :D
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A local bloke who build up custom adv bikes and fairings has being working on a rally style fairing for it and being in close contact with the reps - he was told its a different FI to the 630 and ibeat wouldnt work
. - altough the web specs say mikuni d45 - which is the same as the 630 .

There is a fair few lads with them here in oz out riding about - if i can find out any 'concrete' info i will let you know .
 
Erik Italhusky said:
Actually the ECU and fuel mapping are one of the few parts that have changed from the 630 :)
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Erik, can you tell us more, if any differences/improvements have been made between the bikes. You have owned both so you know first hand the shortfalls with the Husky 630's.

The EFI interface. What software and plug does SWM use to plug in to the bikes?

A picture is worth a thousand words.

( I am curious to find out all I can with the rebadged Husky's as SWM says they will be here in the USA this June, and a friend is thinking about buying a new KTM DS, and I would rather have the info to steer him away from KTM and to SWM )
 
Here is a dyno chart made by Motorrad (german bike magazine). They say the SWM runs by Athena-Software.
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And a chart of the "old" Husky to compare:
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So no real bump in power/torque, maybe a slightly flatter torque curve in the 4k range...

I'll take the 701 :D
 
What's the engine life expectancy of these KTM (both the orange and white version)
I'm thinking 70Hp out of a 690cc one cylinder is pretty exciting but probably not too good long term?
I did find the 630 engine a bit boring on my way to work this morning :-)
 
Some info / cut n paste thanks to beer o clock baz on adv and his swm.

'A couple more things for the SWM owners. The TE 630 o2 lambda sensor eliminator is oposite to the SWM i.e where the male is for the TE the female is for the SWM. The Bung for the exhaust isnt even a 1.5 thread let alone an 18mm. TE is 18x1.5 the SWM is a 12mm x ? I bought an 12x1.5 bolt an thread is alot finer. Radiators are very thin, she holds 1.2 ltr's but it all must be internal so will be going the Liquid inteligence route. '
 
Im not a fan of KTM and even less so of these re-branded Husqvarna-KTM copies. I would rather buy and convert a Yamaha YZ450 for the street.
I want an Aprilia SXV as much as i want a monkey on my back
I guess the small market for supermoto on the street could be blamed for lack of development and choice.
I love riding supermoto, my 610 really stomps along.
The SWM is a really valid choice, i hope they are successful
 
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