Actual news on the KTM purchase of Husqvarna

Discussion in 'Newsroom' started by Howard V, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Boogie Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Red head
    And its pretty evident that people enjoy theory building and speculation.

    Theories will be built around the unknown until it is known... see exhibit A below.

    [IMG]
  2. Boogie Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Red head
    Apologies to the Americans... exhibit A is a prehistoric monument in Britian.

    (injoke for the Aussies :thumbsup:)
  3. Joe Chod Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    upstate NY
    Is this the Australian Stonehenge?
    [IMG]
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  4. Boogie Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Red head
    Hah! Joe, we could speculate that it is but I have another theory...
  5. DG Harv Serv Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    UK
    Would that be Britain ? (injoke for the English lol !)
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  6. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    Location:
    San Diego, Ca
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 Husqvarna TE300i
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 HusqvarnaTE610, 94 Husaberg FC501
    BYOB......bring your own beer/booze.......build your own Beta. or go visit Tomas e Mirko.....TM. fan the flames of Fantic, holler for HM.....etc etc etc or do like me just keep on riding the crap out of your Varese Husky and let the white collar guys play money games in the EU and India.
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  7. rxcrider Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    None
    Other Motorcycles:
    None
    one more from the field of what we don't really know

    Pierer Industrie AG has been reported as both a subsidiary of KTM AG and a holding company which owns the majority of Cross AG. It can't be both, because Cross owns KTM AG. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, it is a subsidiary of KTM AG which lends credence to the purchase really being made by KTM.

    http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=99131290

    Not what a lot of folks wanted to see, but businessweek could be wrong so it really isn't actually news either... just another puzzle piece that doesn't quite make a picture yet.
  8. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
  9. john01 Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Powhatan VA
    Ain't enough popcorn in that box for this drama K :lol:.
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  10. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
    Other Motorcycles:
    many
    Sure there is, every time I stick my hand in there I get more popcorn, been at it for hours. :p
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  11. MattR 2T Forum Clerk

    Location:
    Temperance, MI
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WB165, SM610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha FZ1
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  12. ray_ray Mini-Sponsor

    Location:
    The Philippines
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    08\013 WR250, 010 TC250, 012 TC250
  13. LandofMotards Moderator

    Location:
    Colorado
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2014 TC250
    One thing I found interesting in the first video is that they are already researching motors for bikes in 2017. I could never be an engineer for a motorcycle company, my spy pics would be all over the web lol
  14. Captnemo Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Arkansas
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE300 ('15), TX300 ('19), TX300i
    Other Motorcycles:
    ATK406 ('94 XC),
    Case and point again -

    1. ) 22% lower manufacturing cost is significant, BMW had it right there. They, for reasons of their own, choose a different path.

    2.) The money BMW spent was more than a "FACE LIFT" - 50+M euro were spent between machining centers, design, & R&D, ect. (Look it up in BMW financials).(that's just "on the books" - money)

    3.) Acerbis, Brembo are not the only motorcycle components from Italy. Build close to the source make sense. Again - more bikes are being built in Italy than Austria means more support suppliers.

    4.) Actually there is very little vehicular support industry in Austria compared to Italy. I can send a "White Paper" on this one.

    5.) KTM exports a significant portion of their bikes through Italy, Plus a big portion of the KTM 100,000 bikes are not from Austria, (India maybe?)
    Exporting out of ports in the Mediterranean (going east or West) is a lot cheaper regardless of volume. Maybe KTM should move there manufacturing to Italy!

    6.) Manufacturing capacity is rooted in labor cost not number of production machines and factory floor space. Austrian labor cost have gone up in the past 5 years compared to level-to-lower cost in Italy.

    As an Engineer coming from a production background - maybe I'm just "Spewing-off" But, if I were in a position to make a decision on this ...........

    "Faith with Facts"
    Hard to Overpower
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  15. john01 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Powhatan VA
    Now if you can figure out how to do that with money and share it with me.........
  16. wallybean Mini-Sponsor

    Location:
    Montana
    You continue to make lots of good points but reality isn't going to support your speculations. None of your speaking points explains the large losses incurred every month in Italy producing Husqvarna Motorcycles. Production losses above and beyond the bleeding the rest of the company is experiencing. All the well thought out paper in the world doesn't rectify real world problems and excess costs.
  17. Coffee CH Owner

    Location:
    Between homes - in ft Wayne IN
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2006 TE250, 2013 TR650 Terra - sold
  18. Norman Foley Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Trumansburg, NY... The Beautiful, Finger Lakes
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR 86 250WR 93 WXE350 03 TE610
    Other Motorcycles:
    '85 Fantic 300 '12 HUSABERG TE250
    I can't argue with your expertise, but I think it will boil down to "Cultural" differences between Austrians and Italians.... this was the undoing of their German brothers at BMW and Husqvarna.
  19. Norman Foley Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Trumansburg, NY... The Beautiful, Finger Lakes
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR 86 250WR 93 WXE350 03 TE610
    Other Motorcycles:
    '85 Fantic 300 '12 HUSABERG TE250
    5.) KTM exports a significant portion of their bikes through Italy, Plus a big portion of the KTM 100,000 bikes are not from Austria, (India maybe?)

    I just took a look at the KTM site and it says, 81,000 units were assembled at the plant in Mattinghofen in 2012. That's about 70,000 more than Husky built in the same year.

    This leaves about 20 to 30,000 units for the Indian factory
  20. Iva Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Hunter Valley - Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    MY'11 TE310
    Long live the true enduro sled!
    May Husky bring 'em back across the range!!